To demonstrate what Rockefellers seizing of medical schools and advancing of allopathic medicine, has done to critical thinking, I had this chat with a
self-described "scientist" on X (Twitter):
(Eclectic dev neurosci postdoc. Systems bio, dynamical models, neuroimaging, neuroepi, neurogenetics.)
First few posts are on another subject that veered onto subject:
Him: Which is to say, the US right's obsession with socialism as a boogeyman is kinda funny, kinda sad. Maybe try to engage with nuance instead of labeling whole governments that you know nothing of as "commies," "libs," and whatever other labels you think are real zingers.
Me: If you ask immigrants in the U.S. that fled communist countries during the last century, they might suggest that not calling a spade a spade - while you are still allowed to - is what happened to their formerly free countries.
As with drunks, the "speech goes first".
Him: Sounds like fearmongering to me. Not all socialist or communist approaches to the economy are old-school Marxism–Leninism. But I'm not going to get into the nuances with you since a couple posts ago you implied you thought that Quebec's government was "socialist/ communist." 🤪
Me: No need for nuance and I didn't intend to single out Canada as unique in the descent.
With the bioweapon having rapidly advanced the front-running global fascism.
youtube.com/watch?v=NhHmy9AQLBA&t=12sHim: I understand that conspiratorial claims tend to colonize people's brains in groups, but it's unclear what "bioweapon" you're referring to. Considering the lack of evidence (despite persistent fringe claims), I'll assume you're not referring to SARS-CoV-2, nor its vaccines.
Me: How can you NOT think I am referring to SARS-CoV-2, considering the mass homicide in Canada that never had to be, with $20 generic drug/nutraceutical protocols that have been proven near 100% effective ever since March of 2020?
https://rumble.com/v2qm8ne-dr.-david-martin-fact-covid-19-was-biological-warfare-on-the-human-race.htmlHim: And which drug is that. Neither hydroxychloroquine, certainly, as meta-analysis of clinical trial data shows no benefits. (Oh, wait! You conveniently don't trust academic publishing, so you will ignore all that data.)
Me: Any meta analysis of HCQ studies that included studies with treatment beginning after day 5 (7 at most), that did not include ZINC, would be a stupid, designed to fail waste.
Since EARLY treatment w/HCQ+ZINC results in 99+% reduction in mortality
See how REALITY broke ignorance?
Me: Easy to spot a Pharma troll, as nobody could maintain such a state of self-imposed abject blindness, after 3-1/2 years of the art and science of evidenced-based early treatment.
Along with a few positive peer reviewed studies NOT designed to fail.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=53.0Him: Nah, just a scientist (likely with more training in epithan the anon creators of that HCQ site) who follows data rather than conspiracies.
But when the cards are down, conspiracists always assert anyone who disagrees with their evidence-free beliefs is a "shill."
Me: I didn't see a denial. There are thousands out there. Until REALITY makes it impossible for them to continue to shill for Big Pharma.
Like Dr. Brian Tyson's team treating over 20,000 COVID patients with 0 deaths of those treated before day 7.
(Older video)
youtube.com/watch?v=fe1TqxvXKTs&t=2sHim: And the deidentified medical records for all 20,000 patients are available for independent analysis by actual researchers, or is this just another "take my word for it, bro" conspiracist?
Me: What would Dr. Brian Tyson and his team stand to gain by engaging in a conspiracy, to falsify a near perfect record, of treating on a timely basis? Kickbacks on a 65-year old generic drug manufactured for dimes in 3rd world countries? Or being demonized by Big Pharma's bi*ches?
Him: Instead, you'll trust amateur-hour website with questionable methods that pools prospective and retrospective clinical data (lol) to create the impression that hydroxychloroquine has any effect. Bad take, man.🙄
Me: The website is an archive of articles, videos etc. by and about world leading medical/science professionals.
While trials could never reflect the success of those professionals that use from 5 to perhaps 15 different drugs/nutraceuticals for illness that manifests in 3 stages.
Him: That's gibberish. Try rephrasing for sense.
Also, instant red flag when conspiracists claim their pet researchers are the "leading" anything. Their work stands or falls on its merits. Appeals to their authority are silly.
Me: "Pet researchers" like Dr. Paul Marik - Critical Care and Emergency Medicine World Ranking: 2
500 peer-reviewed journal articles, 80 book chap and authored 4 critical care books.
A few of the medical professionals I rely on for info:
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1554.0Him: Appeal to authority again. Quantity ≠ quality.
Is he an epidemiologist? Does he actually have the relevant training to analyze pertinent data? Or does he just want to be a "status quo destabilizer"?
Me: Sorry, I sometimes overestimate self-described scientists.
HCQ is only part of cure. ZINC precludes replication of the virus inside the cell. Zinc ionophores like HCQ, quercetin and ECGC help move the zinc through the cell wall and into the cell.
1:55 mark
youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=U7F1cnWup9M&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logoMe: Compare the U.S. mass homicide, with that of dirt poor, unsanitary, overcrowded, underserved 3rd world African countries where good water is scarce, but where hydroxychloroquine is as endemic as the malaria they prophylax for weekly with it:
https://www.covidtreatmentoptions.com/05d58ab0.jpgHim: Lol, this is an amateur hour attempt at epidemiology. You're not thinking, and you wouldn't know the first thing about how to interpret data.
Him: Start with this question: what fraction of Covid deaths are confirmed in the US?
Then these: what is the public health infrastructure in those "dirt poor" countries, and what (much smaller) fraction of deaths are actually confirmed as being caused by Covid.
Him: No shit the numbers are lower in countries where fewer Covid deaths are *confirmed* as Covid deaths. The fact that you think this plot indicates massive treatment-preventable deaths in the US is laughable, and makes you look like a bit of a chump.
Me: Easy to spot a Pharma troll, as nobody could maintain such a state of self-imposed abject blindness, after 3-1/2 years of the art and science of evidenced-based early treatment.
Along with a few positive peer reviewed studies NOT designed to fail.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=53.0Him: Nah, just a scientist (likely with more training in epithan the anon creators of that HCQ site) who follows data rather than conspiracies.
But when the cards are down, conspiracists always assert anyone who disagrees with their evidence-free beliefs is a "shill."
Me: "Their work stands or falls on its merits."
I agree. So why do you deny the REALITY of competent clinicians/scientists success?
March 23 of 2020 Dr. Zelenko reported to the world EARLY treating 500 elderly and high-risk patients with 0 hospitalizations.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1007.0Him: Reported? What's the control group?
Me: Control group was composed of +tested people of all ages and health in same locale, that underwent various treatments.
While the HCQ+zinc+Az group was risk-stratified to ONLY include +tested elderly and high-risk patients.
Even still, 99+% effective.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258Him: Lol, you're confused again grandpa. This is a retrospective (ugh) study of 141 individuals, not the 500 you claimed. And it doesn't have a control group, it refers to using a reference dataset to approximate a control group. And there is nonzero mortality - treated people died.
Me: Two different things, upstart. So you do prefer (ugh) Nazi style!
His is letter to Trump, Meadows & the world on 3-23-2020 on treatment of 500 high-risk with 0 hospitalized.
https://covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1007.0Was too busy saving lives to waste time on a study then.
Me: Retrospective and doesn't have a control group because Zelenko wasn't an Nazi style doctor.
He had already proven complete success in his PRACTICE.
Placebo would have = homicide.
Brian Tyson - 0 deaths in over 20,000 treated before day 7 of symptoms.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1649.0Me: I meant "Retrospective and doesn't have a PLACEBO control group because Zelenko wasn't an Nazi style doctor."
I guess they must not teach medical ethics and equipoise in Canada:
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=10.msg168#msg168Him: So you think a guy's anecdotal experiences in medical practice exempt him from the need for robust data collection to back claims? Also, my training was in the US. I just work in Canada.
Me: You are ignorant to the art and science of medicine.
You and Fauci's stupid demand is exactly why a million Americans & millions more worldwide, died completely avoidable deaths.
While competent clinicians were saving near 100% of their patients by prescribing meds off-label.
Him: Stay immersed in that conspiracy theory I guess. Your claims are built on data without controls, intentional misinterpretation of mortality data from different countries (which are not directly comparable), and appeals to authority. Muting you now, gramps. Have a nice life.
Me: My claims are built on 3-1/2 years of successful early treatment by front line TREATING doctors/scientists, using $20 generic drug/nutraceutical early treat protocols, through art and SCIENCE of evidence based medicine.
Your muting of SCIENCE no surprise.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1343.0Me: What conspiracy? It's pure raw greed facilitated by conflicts of interest throughout government, media, journals and academia.
It's how you got fooled into believing a completely irrelevant meta analysis could be more relevant than the REALITY of 3-1/2 years of early treatment.
Him: When there's an unproven therapy, yes a controlled study is called for (even if you demean the approach by comparing researchers to Nazis). And no, anecdotal evidence from a clinic doesn't exempt people from conducting rigorous science before making clinical recommendations.
Me: Click link to learn medical ethics
https://covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=10.msg168#msg168"from A clinic"?😂🤣
Tens of thousands of doctors around the world over 3-1/2 years, while you hid behind your little lab table! Guess which countries in this chart didn't kill early treatment with effective generic drugs
https://www.covidtreatmentoptions.com/05d58ab0.jpgMe: If you had a friend or relative that died of, or suffers long COVID, it is YOUR BS that killed them. Let alone any that may have been ignorant enough to be influenced by you online.
ALL my friends & relatives got over COVID in at most a few days at home with HCQ or IVM protocols.
Me: You ignored a peer reviewed study in which ANY/ALL selection bias went AGAINST the TREATMENT arm. But you are incapable of understanding the importance.
You would set up a placebo group to suffer 10-15% mortality while treat group would have less than 1% mortality.
Mengele style.
Me: Do we have to wonder why you ignored my request, for you to give us an idea as to how a study could be designed, when competent clinicians use from 5-10 or more different drugs/nutraceuticals in various combos for a disease that manifests in 3 stages?
https://twitter.com/NobodyHadToDie/status/1720526920830374391Him: And anyone should trust a site called "
http://myfreedoctor.com" why?
I get why you're so credulous - it's confirmation bias. It says what you want to be true.
But why would anyone else
Me: Because they treat patients.
Tens of thousands of doctors around the world proved the efficacy of HCQ & IVM protocols.
Like the U.S., Canada was crippled by Big Pharma captured government, media and academic ignoramuses. Click chart to see consequences:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/biweekly-covid-deaths-per-million-people?tab=chart&country=IND~OWID_AFR~OWID_ASI~CHN~CAN (Canada compared)
Me: More censored success: 230 million people in Uttar Pradesh India, 310,783 COVID cases April of 21. Door to door test and treat with IVM+zinc+doxy+C,D,multi vit started. Cases cut 97.1% in June, just 22 cases August.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=1068.0Me: Fauci called for trials to sink hydroxychloroquine while giving ineffective, deadly, Remdesivir a nod and a wink.
https://covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=10.0Even though back in 2005 NIH reported:
“Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread."
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=399.0Me: You ignored a peer reviewed study in which ANY/ALL selection bias went AGAINST the TREATMENT arm. But you are incapable of understanding the importance.
You would set up a placebo group to suffer 10-15% mortality while treat group would have less than 1% mortality.
Mengele style.
5 days later:
Me: Can you provide a link to the meta-analysis, that has convinced you that it nullifies the REALITY of up to 99+% success in early treat, by thousands of docs around the world with an HCQ triple therapy thru the art and science of evidence-based medicine, over the last 3-1/2 years?
