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https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=227.0Thread title: "
CDC Says Vaccinated May Be as Likely to Spread COVID as Unvaxxed"
But rather than "as likely" as the quote suggests, it would seem logical they are far more likely to spread COVID and dangerously so, because there is no way for vaccinated persons to tell if they either currently have, or are spreading, COVID-19. Most, little doubt, presume they can't spread it, because they have been vaccinated. Just as was predicted by at least one world leading vaccinologist.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=719.0
Yet ever since the pandemic began, essentially the only way unvaccinated people have been able to spread COVID-19, is if they are symptomatic.https://uncanceled.news/reports-of-serious-injuries-after-vaccines-surge-as-cdc-says-vaccinated-may-be-as-likely-to-spread-covid-as-unvaxxed/(always best to read at site that has supporting links etc.)
"Reports of Serious Injuries After Vaccines Surge as
CDC Says Vaccinated May Be as Likely to Spread COVID as UnvaxxedVAERS data released today by the CDC showed a total of 518,770 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines, including 11,940 deaths and 63,102 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and July 23, 2021."
Megan Redshaw July 30, 2021"
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Internal CDC document reveals vaccinated, even if not sick, can spread virusThe CDC now says even those people fully vaccinated for COVID are able to get, and spread, the virus.
According to internal documents obtained by The Washington Post, the CDC said it’s time to “Acknowledge the war has changed.”
The document outlined unpublished data showing fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people, CNN reported.It concludes
the delta variant is “highly contagious, likely to be more severe” and that “breakthrough infections may be as transmissible as unvaccinated cases.”
The Washington Post reported:
“‘I think the central issue is that
vaccinated people are probably involved to a substantial extent in the transmission of delta,’ Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist, wrote in an email after reviewing the CDC slides.
“‘In some sense,
vaccination is now about personal protection — protecting oneself against severe disease. Herd immunity is not relevant as we are seeing plenty of evidence of repeat and breakthrough infections.’”
Since January,
people who got infected after vaccination make up an increasing portion of hospitalizations and in-hospital deaths among COVID patients, according to the CDC documents. That trend coincides with the spread of the Delta variant.
The Post also reported today on a CDC study revealing
three-fourths of people infected in a Massachusetts COVID outbreak were vaccinated. The report bolsters the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant, and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
The data, detailed in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, provided
key evidence that convinced agency scientists to reverse recommendations on mask-wearing and advise that vaccinated individuals wear masks in indoor public settings in some circumstances, The Post reported.
Thus far, researchers have focused on viral load — a term for how much of the virus is present in infected peoples’ bodies — which can affect transmissibility and severity. Infections with the Delta variant lead to higher levels of virus in the body, even in breakthrough cases in fully vaccinated individuals, the document said.
If vaccinated people get infected anyway, they have as much virus in their bodies as unvaccinated people — that means they’re as likely to infect someone else as unvaccinated people who get infected, CNN reported.[But that would obviously be false, because vaccinated people are far more likely to infect someone else, because they have no idea they are doing so, whereas unvaccinated people know when they can infect others because they have symptoms that indicate they are infectious.]“The bottom line was that, in contrast to the other variants,
vaccinated people, even if they didn’t get sick, got infected and shed virus at similar levels as unvaccinated people who got infected,” Dr. Walter Orenstein, who heads the Emory Vaccine Center and who viewed the documents, told CNN.
The CDC is scheduled to publish more data today.
Biden says federal workers must get vaccinated or submit to regular testing — postal union, others push back
[But it is obviously the vaccinated people that need to submit to regular testing because as bad as the tests are, that is the only way to know if they are spreading. Whereas when unvaccinated people are spreading they have symptoms. So, logically, not nearly the need to be tested as vaccinated.]President Biden on Thursday announced all civilian federal employees will be required to show proof of vaccination against COVID or be forced to submit to regular COVID testing, wear masks and socially distance.
[All of which mitigation measures should more appropriately apply to the vaccinated more than the unvaccinated.]Biden also called on state and local governments to use COVID relief funds to give $100 to residents who get vaccinated. In a statement released by the White House, the administration said the new rules were issued because of the Delta COVID variant, and because unvaccinated people present a problem to themselves, their families and co-workers.
[Even as it would seem that it is the vaccinated that "present a problem", because it is they that have the potential to be asymptomatic super-spreaders of COVID-19. The "typhoid Marys" among us.]“Every federal government employee will be asked to attest to their vaccination status. Anyone who does not attest or is not vaccinated will be required to mask no matter where they work; test one or two times a week to see if they have a — they have acquired COVID, socially distance and generally will not be allowed to travel for work,” Biden said.
If masks reduced spreading of COVID it would obviously be the vaccinated that should be wearing the masks, because they have no way of knowing whether they are blowing viruses around to their coworkers or not. Whereas unvaxxed are safe as long as they don't have symptoms.Biden directed his administration to apply similar standards to all federal contractors. “If you want to do business with the federal government, get your workers vaccinated,” he said.
In one early sign the policy may not go as smoothly as planned,
the American Postal Workers Union (APWU) said it opposes the Biden administration’s vaccine mandate as a condition for employment, arguing it isn’t the role of the federal government to mandate vaccines or other testing measures.
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“Maintaining the health and safety of our members is of paramount importance,” the APWU said in a statement issued Wednesday. “While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.”
In advance of Biden’s official announcement, Children’s Health Defense on Thursday issued a statement disagreeing with the new policy.
The statement quoted CHD Chairman Robert F. Kennedy, Jr:
“Coerced medical interventions have been abhorrent to advocates of liberty and human dignity in every age. The fact that these vaccines are shoddily tested, experimental, unapproved and so risky their manufacturers can neither obtain insurance coverage nor indemnify users against grave injuries or death should magnify our ethical revulsion.”https://uncanceled.news/reports-of-serious-injuries-after-vaccines-surge-as-cdc-says-vaccinated-may-be-as-likely-to-spread-covid-as-unvaxxed/________________________________________________
In other words, the unapproved, unapproved, experimental, genetically engineered, chemically enhanced, biological agents created a dangerous group of citizens, who's systems can not only create novel variants of COVID-19, but who can also spread COVID-19 asymptomatically.
While ever since the beginning of the pandemic, there has been virtually 0 spread of COVID-19, by people unvaccinated people that have no symptoms.
https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=551.0While effective $20 early treatment protocols have been virtually 100% effective in treatment of elderly and high risk individuals ever since February of 2020. In other words the pandemic would have been over in April or May of last year, if the whole world had followed these protocols.
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